So I posted a comment to an artist on Deviant Art the other day, at my own peril.
I do not usually comment on things be they written or drawn unless I really like them and want to support the artist or I find something about it that offends my sensibilities and idea of equality. I never use coarse language or invective nor do I ever personally attack a person by calling them an idiot for what they think. I looked at her art and the comments posted by herself and others and I found them misogynistic I told her so and asked her to lose the hate.
What it was is that she did a poster of Spock and Kirk on the bridge about to talk to each other (it is a still taken from TOS) and Lt. Uhura is in the background at her post looking in their direction.
Basically the premise of the post/art is that Uhura is foolish for thinking that Spock could EVER love her, be it in TOS or the new revamp.
The comments that followed from the artist herself and some of her supporters were not necessarily pro the idea of a romantic reltionship between Kirk and Spock but they were derogatory and hateful towards the character of Lt. Nyota Uhura. It was not to say that the commentators were in support of a gay relatiionship but they were more in favour of hating on Uhura for being a woman and being the focused love interest of Spock in the new film and "how weird" the paring of them was/is, and how it was NEVER alluded to in TOS.
I wanted to respond to the artist's respose to my comment but she blocked me.
So I decided to post it here.
My comments are in green and hers are in blue. I chose green for me because it is my favourite colour.your comments and art are rather misogynistic in tone.
lose the hate
okay, I AM a woman. I don't hate women. my comments and art are in no way misogynistic. My comments and art support homosexuality and do not support weird pairings in films that don't make sense (and are not from the original series). I have no problem with women. How about you actually read/look at things in context before you jump right to judging.
I did read what you wrote and also the comments of the other readers. I never respond to things without thinking first. I stand by what I stated to you.
It is very possible for women to be misogynistic. To think it is not a reality or a possibility because one is female is just deluded thinking.
The pairing is not weird. Rodenberry actually wanted it in TOS but due to the racist times it was NOT allowed. The network guys wanted him to actually lose Lt. Uhura, they could not have a Black woman on the bridge,not unless she was cleaning it.
This is a new interpretation of the Star Trek series. May I ask what exactly is so weird about Spock loving Nyota and she loving him? Just what about it does not make sense? Also Kirk and Spock being gay for each other (to use a colloquial term)is not really apparent in the TOS. What they had was Platonic love for each other.(This is possible without men jumping in bed with each other just as it is with women) A lot of the hate that I have read regarding this paring is very sexist and often very racist. It is rather alarming to read and see it in this day and age.
Whatever homosexual leanings you interpret in the TOS is basically what you truly wish to see. Kirk was ALWAYS macking and mating with women on that show( which is not one of my favourite traits of his, but so be it).
Supporting homosexuality is fine but when you do it at the expense of heterosexuality and women... two wrongs do not make a right.
One thing that I have noticed is that the people who like/love slash (which is usually not cannon but something created by mostly female fans) say horrid things about any female character who may or may not come between two male leads. If for example if I said any of the bile and hate that is usually directed and written about and towards females characters, like some of your commentators and yourself wrote about Lt. Uhura and if I said such things about gay relationships and romance you and many others would call me homophobic and they would be right. So I ask you why can you not own up to the fact that your comments and art posted are of a misogynistic tone and flavour?
Being a woman does not excuse you from what has been stated and presented by you.
It is a kin to me stating racist things about people of other colours and thinking it is ok because I am a Black woman (I cannot be racist!). That does not cut it.
By all means support Gay rights, it is a good thing to support but something should never ever be built up or put ahead by dumping on something you do not like nor understand. That is just ignorant and hateful.
I have no problem with people wanting Kirk to be with Spock. To be honest I do not see it happening in film or professional published print. No one should take away or make fun of anyone for the paring that they like (real or imagined), but favouring one and degrading another is simply not cricket. There is room for everyone.
Always try to maintain style and substance! And curtsey while you think of something to say it saves time! : )
So there is what I wrote, for better or for worse. People can write draw and love what they love but to do so on a platform of degrading and hating on something you do not like or understand is simply foolish folly and does not hold room for growth and improvement.
Thanks for listening/reading
Ellington3 : )